As you know, I like to have some reports from the groups, you know. And dinner, the meal is at 6.30, so we have a little time. And if we want, we can continue a little bit tomorrow too, but... I would like to get the summons done. Yes. First we were talking about self-reference. And first we were talking about something which affects us, which makes us somehow, which touches us, like for instance an incident or an accident which we are not involved in.

[01:22]

where we also can feel compassion and openness. But we thought that this is also a function of self, or within the realm of self, which reacts on this news of this accident. And we thought that self is somehow composed of or is a relation between emotion or feelings, mind and thoughts and conceptual thoughts and the body in a certain relation. And in this relation and the way it's related to each other, the self stabilizes itself.

[02:36]

And then we were talking, we were continuing to talk about different forms of mind. . And we thought that, or came to the conclusion that in different circumstances and situations, there seem to be different states of mind. And it's impossible to defend ourselves against that there are different states of minds, even if we would want So for instance, when I talk about myself, an experience I had,

[03:47]

many times is that when I'm in here I'm interested in I'm not interested in certain things which I'm quite interested when I'm at home and also when I'm back at home and there were also diverging views about whether we are talking about different minds, or different state of mind, states of mind. Because that would imply different things. What would be the difference? . So different states of mind would assume, or it would be, the condition for different states of mind would be that there's a certain entity of mind.

[04:59]

Yeah. Um, so whereas different minds would more, would imply that there are, the result would be that, actually, can you repeat that? Yeah, so to have different minds would more point to the momentariness of mind. And continuous changing. Yeah. And we came somehow to the conclusion or shared the view that mind encompasses what can be experienced.

[06:13]

And the different experience relate to different minds or create different minds. Well I would you know I think I agree with everything you said. I might use slightly different words and there's some usefulness. over time for us to kind of get our words so we use them the same way. So when we practice knowing the structure of mind, where we understand each other how to speak, But first we have to define these things the best we can.

[07:41]

And try on different ways to identify define. And I keep trying on and changing over the years, how I would say something. So what I'm saying is, I like the process of your defining especially. What your group did. But to keep it fluid so that keeps in touch with our experiences, our experience evolve. Thank you. Anyone else?

[08:41]

Maybe not so deep. Well... So first we talked about different minds which came into our mind. For instance, a resting mind. which would be comparable, for instance, with the surface of water, with the calm surface of water, in contrast to a moving mind or a moved mind. And I think all of us know this mind. Monkey mind. Like moving. Moving. Yeah. Moving. Or also restless.

[10:08]

The technical term for it is monkey mind. A restless mind. And we somehow connected and related this calm mind with the host mind. And one participant thought that to draw this distinction between guest and host mind is something you only learn and develop after some time of practice. And he admitted that it took some time for him to realize that he is somehow in a guest position here in Rastenberg because the feeling is somehow like in a family.

[11:28]

So it's not a business or professional relation, it's more a family relation. He has the feeling that he is a guest. So family, a guest, a visitor to the family and not part of the family? Okay. Whoever you are, you're welcome to be a member of the family. It's funny how some people have a terrible state of mind at work and a good state of mind at home. Some people have a good state of mind at home and a terrible state of mind at work. And then there was something like a mind which is seeking and wants to find something.

[12:48]

And there was also a mind where everything is okay and which somehow says, calm, everything is what it is here. And then this brought us to the question whether there is somehow that there are minds in contradictory pairs. And then there was the question about one-pointedness that several people who haven't been here before were not quite clear about the concept and practice of one-pointedness. And we try to find out which kind of object would be useful to experience one-pointness and to practice one-pointness.

[14:11]

Okay. Okay, and then we thought we were thinking whether only real object would be useful to experience and practice one point of this. Or whether abstract concepts, like for instance time, would also be useful for that. Or, or, or awareness, whether this would be useful. And what we were, what came up when we were dealing with the question of, or with the concept and practice of awareness was that there is, it implies and not only implies but also

[15:31]

there's a certain security safeness going with it. And that the attention is not focused on one specific object, but it's more, it's not focused, it's encompassing everything. So, and this non-directiveness does not mean that it's not, that awareness is not leading somewhere, but quite on the contrary, that it's more leading and more, more leading than direct, like be focused.

[16:39]

You mean that awareness, concentrated awareness lead somewhere in a different way or a fuller way than just to be focused on something. Okay. You think that's the consciousness? Yes. There was also this concept of, which is hard to translate, the question which was raised by two of you. That would be some kind of meter level of consciousness.

[17:43]

Meter, meter, N-E-T-A, meter. Like a meter. No, no, no. Meta. Meta. Meta. Like a meta, higher. Like metaphysics. So this consciousness or consciousness With this concept of Bewusstheit can we cover everything that we are doing? Does it cover everything? So with regards to consciousness, we came to the conclusion that it's connected to thinking.

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