Dogen scholar named Steven Hein. Heine, maybe in German, I don't know. H-E-I-N-E. Ja, es gibt einen Dogen-gelehrten namens Steve Hein. And he wrote a book called Did Dogen Go to China? Ja, von ihm gibt es ein Buch, das heißt Ist Dogen in China gewesen? And it's a historical fact that he went to China for four or five years. But Dogen claimed or presented himself in his teaching as trying to recreate some dynasty Buddhism in Japan. And... And that he was continuing the lineage of his teacher, Ru Jing.

[01:34]

But if you study the compilation and the dates of his texts, teachings, He doesn't mention his teacher Ruching much until the latter part of his life. Now, I went to Japan, not China. I've been to China, but as a Buddhist... exploration, I went to Japan for about four years. But somebody could write a book, did Dick Baker go to Japan? Because probably, well, he says he's trying to recreate some dynasty Buddhism and talks about Sukhirishi, but really he's just influenced by a bunch of constellation therapists in Austria.

[03:05]

Yes, he says that he is trying to restore the Japanese teaching line in the West, and he has known him for a long time, but in fact he is actually only from a bunch of psychotherapists in Austria. Who? Who? And there may be some truth to that. In other words, am I assimilating Western paradigms in the service of Buddhism? Or am I actually transforming, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Et cetera, et cetera.

[04:06]

Yeah. And scholars can find evidence for anything. So I think that what I would suggest this morning is that Christina yesterday mentioned trying to think about what to do, what we might do. And yesterday we had the beginning of what looked like a discussion, but only the beginning of a discussion, a practice by Rika and then including Siegfried. And I know that I said I would speak about space, but there's always space to speak about space. It's not going to go away. So I would suggest that now, maybe, if it's okay with you, I mean, it's up to us together, that you take as a kind of topic, maybe,

[05:38]

Is there a useful place for Buddhist and Zen teachings and practice in therapy? And both in constellation therapy and what, I don't know what you call it, individual client-focused therapy. In other words, I think it might be good to have a kind of reassessment, alignment of what we're doing. That would help me. And this seminar is always a significant one in my annual schedule, annual life.

[06:57]

Because of its difference, stratification from my other seminars. So anyway, my suggestion is that we have maybe one big group for a while. And you might have small groups too, that's up to you. A random composition or maybe topical composition. And what I'd like to do is leave so that there's no pressure to speak English. But I'd like to sneak back in later through the shrubbery.

[08:06]

And then if Christian can give me some kind of simultaneous translation, I'd like to listen in, like the proverbial fly on the wall. And one of the topics can certainly be, did Dick Baker go to Japan? Is that something you would be willing to do? No. Yes. All right, so I will sneak out through the shrubbery and lead you to your own devices. And for me, there's more energy the more that you participate in finding our way.

[09:19]

And for me there is more energy in it when you participate in finding our common goal.

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