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Mindful Practice in Zen Details
Seminar
The seminar emphasizes the importance of detailed practice in Zen, particularly focusing on micro-details such as hand posture during zazen and the cultural influences in rituals like Oryoki. It distinguishes between mental states formed from immediate perceptions versus associative thoughts, drawing from Asanga's teachings on primary and secondary minds. The talk integrates these deliberations with the translation and interpretation challenges of the Heart Sutra, also considering the elements of Shinto in Zen practice.
- Heart Sutra: Discussed as a practice script with detailed logical and script qualities; translation issues are highlighted, specifically how words like "emptiness" and "transcendental" are interpreted.
- Asanga's Treatises: Cited in the context of distinguishing between primary and secondary minds, emphasizing the importance of direct perception and its role in working out one's karma.
- Suzuki Roshi: Referenced for efforts to eliminate Shinto influences from Buddhist ceremonies to maintain Buddhist purity.
- Philip Whalen: Mentioned as opposing certain English translations of Buddhist texts for their lack of fidelity to the original script's essence.
AI Suggested Title: Mindful Practice in Zen Details
Today at lunchtime I gave you some more instruction about the Oryoki. And I'd like to try to give you more also of a feeling of why this level of micro-detail in Buddhist culture is important. And I think at least for many of us it's not something that comes naturally, because it seems unnatural.
[01:04]
There are many reasons it doesn't come so naturally to many of us, but anyway, I think just that it doesn't is enough. Now, I've noticed, of course, that... well, I think most of you have done... most of you and I have done sesshins together or at least seminars together But there are some of you who I've seen for the first time here today or yesterday. And some of you, this is the first time we've done sushis together anyway.
[02:29]
And I can see the presence of other teachers and other practices in the way you do things. which is quite natural and I respect the other ways you've learned. Sometimes for the sake of this sesshin or this practice for now, you know, some things you'll do the way we do them, and then later you'll go back to your regular way of doing them. Or if it's a habit you've learned and you feel comfortable with it, that's fine.
[03:40]
In Japanese monasteries you have to strictly do things the way the place you're in does. I think too much so. I mean, if you have soto-shu robes, you can't wear them in a rinzai-shu temple. In a rinzai-shu temple, you can't wear rinzai-shu robes, for instance. So I confuse them by solving the problem by wearing rinzai-shu kuromos and soto-shu okesos. Since I've studied some years in both. But anyway, I'd like to say something a little bit about the different, the way these details are thought about.
[05:12]
I think it's easier if I stand up, as long as you can translate from Sikh. The characteristic and simple things we do when we're doing kin hin is we hold our hands in some posture. Generally, it's thought that your arms should be parallel to the floor. Now there's three possibilities in an outer posture. One is what maybe we could call relaxed. Sort of any old way. Next we could call maybe attentive. And the next may be a posture requiring effort.
[06:35]
There's several. Now, the relaxed physical posture, outer posture, is almost never used in Zen practice. Let me show you the way I do it. You take your left hand and you put your thumb in the palm of your left hand. And then you close your hand gently around your thumb. Then you put it in the middle of your stomach, sort of, and your arm parallel to the floor. Then you put your other hand on top. Now, if you just kept it like that, that would be relaxed. But since this is a yogic practice, you always turn, you do something that requires, the posture requires attention from it.
[07:57]
Now that would be, you know, so if you turn your hands up slightly, you'll see that it requires some kind of attention to do that. If you turn them all the way up, it requires effort. Some teachers, in some ways of practice, want you to do postures that require constant effort. And some people actually walk that way. And the decision that I've made is postures that are comfortable but require attention. But not postures that require effort. Or effort beyond attention.
[08:59]
And when you put your hands up, it moves your elbows way up and they're away from your body quite a bit. So what I would actually advise you to do is to feel free to experiment with which works best for you. Whether you want, if you turn, the more you turn it up, the more effort is required to maintain the posture. Now the same is true of the hand mudra for zazen. Now, of course putting your thumbs together gently requires some effort and some intention. And it's a good barometer of your mind.
[10:20]
If your mudra collapses, your mind is pretty lax. And if your thumbs go up, then your mind... Then your mind is usually thinking too much And if your head's back, you're using too much. And some people sit like this. Okay. And another posture, which is... So concentrated but not relaxed, or concentrating but, and they just call it concentrating, is just put your right thumb in your left palm and then close your hands around.
[11:49]
You're actually putting your right thumb in the center of your left palm. which connects one of the energy channels. And then you close your hand around it. Now that's the main posture used when it's cold. Or in Rinzai Zen, particularly when you're working on a koan, that's the posture used. So I think if your posture, if your mudra collapses, maybe you better go to that posture.
[12:50]
Because it's more concentrated. It's a different kind of concentration than this. Now, the mudra where your hands are up at your navel or just below your navel requires more effort. And it's the same kind of difference that like this or like this. This requires effort and this requires attention. Now Most Japanese people have to hold their hands up.
[13:53]
So I think they teach this posture more naturally than we would. Because Japanese people are quite long-torsoed and short-armed. And if they put their hands in their lap, pull their shoulders forward, which is not good for Zazen. So lots of Japanese teachers teach your hands up that way because of their bodies. But that's not the only reason. This is also a good posture to hold your hands up. If you hold your hands at your navel, that's a little different than when they're down here. And my feeling is that you are going to really want to concentrate in zazen, and you're doing, say, half-hour periods, once a day or so, holding your hands up is fine.
[15:09]
But for sashin practice, or when you're sitting on lots, lots, and lots, I would say it's better to have your hands down. But that's again up to you. Now there are In some ways the Oryoki is taught has Shinto and Japanese elements in it that are Buddhist, I think. Friends, one practice I haven't seen any of you doing it this time but I've seen people do it other times which is when you dump the waste water, you look away.
[16:22]
Any gestures where you either look away because it's waste water or that hard things are more Japanese than Buddhist. Shinto is very involved with purity. And the word beautiful and clean is the same word in Japanese. Things are only beautiful if they are clean And part of the same way of thinking is traditionally women during their period had to live in a separate house or a little house up behind the house
[17:26]
So Suzuki Roshi and I tried to take out of the ceremonies the elements that were more Shinto involved with, this is pure, this is impure. That's enough. I think you can see the sense of just relaxed doesn't help you much, but attentive, either attentive with some effort or attentive with a lot of effort is really the range in which you can find your own postures. Now strangely enough, while I wouldn't use the word relaxed to describe an outer posture, it is the most fundamental inner posture.
[18:42]
So actually Zen practice is a pulse between concentration and effort and relaxation. And the relaxed is more fundamental. And as I say, basic posture, mental posture for zazen is an uncorrected state of mind. But strangely enough, to enter truly relaxed states of mind, you need to develop concentration. So it's actually good to concentrate on your breath and so forth and then sometimes forget And you will anyway
[19:47]
You can only make an effort so long and then you relax. You don't say, oh, I'm bad, I've relaxed. It's good. Now, I've spent the last 30 years or so trying to understand the... Dharma details of practice. And quite a few of you are also learning some of these details. And I'd like to keep, my hope is, and what I really worked on very hard, is to have these details be details of Buddhist culture and not Asian and Japanese cultures.
[21:23]
So when you learn these things, you're not learning how to be Japanese or Chinese or Korean, but you're learning something that's essential to Buddhism. So at this stage, you know, we're still pretty new at it, and I'm glad that Gerald and Gisela were willing to come from America to help us with the sashin. They're also in the middle, we're at Cresto in the middle of building the first separate building or staff housing that we've done. And they were hoping, they also happened to be going to live in it, they were hoping to get in it before the first snow flew.
[22:34]
Do you say that in German, snow flew? But there was no chance of that because the snow was flying when I left. In fact, I couldn't fly. I had to drive all the way to Denver to get to the airplane because it was so snowy around Crestone. And a number of people have come from, Beat has come, and the Vienna gang has come, and Eric, you know, has come here from Munich.
[23:39]
Anyway, people who are learning how to do this and helping out and taking care of the Sashim. Now, I'd like to try chanting the German Heart Sutra today, or reading it with you at least. Let's try that first. So could two people who would like to give their legs a break pass out the Heart Sutra in the cards, and two other people pass out this? There's no problem. But when you try to do that with English, It does a terrible injustice to English.
[24:55]
And since German is more like English than Japanese is like English. Now, most groups in America chanted in English with the hearts, with the boat, you know. I think we're the, my group is I think the only group that does it without the Mokikyo that I know about. One of my disciples is the poet Philip Wayland and he I was sort of willing to go along with it even though I didn't like it. But it hurt him so much to hear that done to English. He begged me to change it, so finally I did. Now, I don't, by the way, think this is such a good English translation. But I just haven't... I want to change it, but I haven't yet.
[26:15]
But there are certain things which, for instance, aren't in this one. For instance, this says all five skandhas are empty, and the English and the Japanese says all five skandhas in their own being are empty. And that's actually a distinction between Theravada and Mahayana understanding. And the The original, I believe, because there's several Chinese versions and several Tibetan versions, but I believe the original has the Bodhisattva coursing in the midst of Prajnaparamita. Now, and here there's transcendental which I don't know if that means the same as transcendental in English But in English, transcendental means up above, on the other side of, something like that, and that's not the correct meaning.
[27:47]
I think the word Konse uses is coursing. The Abhijit was coursing in, which means like a sailboat courses through the water. It's coursing in deep prajnaparamita. The Konse has translated it as that the Bodhisattva really drives a sailboat into this water. There's also a common misreading in China of paramita, which means perfection, paramita, and it's read sometimes as paramita, which means beyond. So then it's translated as wisdom gone beyond wisdom, which is actually an incorrect translation. And that idea is picked up from below, where it's gone, gone in the mantra, gone, gone, gone beyond. completely gone beyond.
[29:11]
Now, the Heart Sutra, there's many ways to understand it. One way that's essential to it is it's a script. It's a theater piece in which you visualize Avalokiteshvara sitting down. And then you enter Korsin, deep Prajnaparamita, in perfected wisdom so you try to do that and you try to perfect wisdom and then you try to keep the five skandhas in view then you try to see the five skandhas are empty So on the one hand, it's a complete script for your own practice.
[30:26]
It also takes all the major categories of earlier Buddhism and says they're empty. So to really translate it because there's an internal logic and a script, like a script quality and an internal logic to it that is very, very detailed word by word. And when you chant something thousands of times day after day, the script gets into your body. So if it's going to be in your body, we ought to get the script right.
[31:41]
But to do it in a foreign, a non-Asian language may take some generations just as it did in China and Japan. I mean, I'm only one short lifetime. And I'm still understanding it and it's still being revealed to me. And I spent much of my energy for 30 years on it. directly and indirectly so I'm just one short lifetime and I've not made too much progress so it may take a few lifetimes it won't just occur in simultaneous lifetimes it has to occur in successive lifetimes Probably most people in my generation are about in the same place I'm in.
[32:52]
It's going to take you who are younger to carry it in your body for a while. Now, I can't I can't even read this. So, maybe since you brought it here, you could start, and I suggest all of you, let's just read it first, just slowly, bodhi, bodhi, sattva, ahalo, kiteshvara, like that speed, together. And I'll try to learn how to pronounce German while you're doing it. And let's just read it through slowly first. Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara in the practice of the deep transcendental wisdom recognized that all five skandhas are empty and could ride over all of them
[34:11]
Shaliputra, form is nothing but emptiness. Emptiness is nothing but form. Form is real emptiness. Emptiness is real form. The same is true for perception, perception, roles, and different sects. Shri Buddha, the forms of all things are empty. They do not arise and do not go away. They are not pure and are not untrue. don't take it in and don't take it off. There is no form in the teaching, neither feeling, perception, rolling, or different senses, neither eye, ear, nose, tongue, or body, neither color, tone, air, or taste. neither touch nor imagination, neither an area of the sensory organs nor an area of thinking, neither ignorance nor end of ignorance.
[35:32]
Und so gibt es weder Alter noch Tod. Aber ein Leben ist von Alter und Tod. Wie Herr Leidenhofer steht von Leiden. Kein Verläufen ist vernichten im kleinen Weg. We can still achieve, because there is nothing to achieve. A bodhisattva lives out of this wisdom, without hindrance to the spirit, without hindrance to the word, without fear. Jenseits aller Illusionen ist es endlich nirwanger. Alle Erwachten der Vergangenheit leben aus dieser transzendenten Weisheit, erreichen die höchste Erleuchtung, vollkommen und ununterbrochen. I know therefore that the transcendent wisdom is the great sacred mantra, the great damaging mantra, the unsurpassed mantra, the incomparable mantra that takes everything in.
[36:48]
That is true and without fault. That is the mantra revealed in the transcendent wisdom. So we can say practice is a form of intimacy. And an intimacy that's bigger than self. Self doesn't cover all of your existence, but intimacy can cover all of your existence. So you, in sashin, it's maybe almost the best opportunity to really become intimate with yourself.
[38:06]
Now the practice of one-pointedness is really necessary in order to become intimate with yourself. Now, one-pointedness means to be able to stay with something. To bring your mind to a point. Now, although this is sometimes taught as a way of clearing your mind of thoughts by bringing your mind to one-pointedness, and that's a useful cleansing process, But it's not essential.
[39:20]
What's more important is the ability to stay with something. So again, it's not about clearing the field, staying with something in the field, or staying with the field itself. And staying with the field itself requires a kind of subtle relaxation. Now, our karma... But I'd like to make a distinction between, shall I say, a mind of residue karma and a mind of immediate karma.
[40:21]
And a mind of residue karma means, by that I mean a mind which is mostly formed from associations from your karma. So a mind which we could call a generic mind. Generic mind. A comparative, conceptual, generic mind. And we could contrast that to a mind of direct sense impressions. So we could also make a distinction between the mind of the fourth skandha, of associations and impulses, and the mind of the third skandha, which is perceptions, but here I'm emphasizing is direct perceptions.
[42:04]
And the more you can rest your mind in direct perceptions and less in associations, the more you have a mind in which your karma is worked out. Your karma is absorbed. So part of the practice of Puryokis or how you hold your hands and so forth is to be able to keep stabilizing or grounding your mind in direct, immediate perceptions.
[43:17]
Now, the Buddhist master Asanga makes a distinction between primary mind and secondary mind. The Buddhist master Asanga primary mind and secondary mind. And one would be a mind in which you're in the immediate details of perception, and the other is when you're in the mind of associations and generalizations. These are understood as actually two different minds. Now we can call them two different minds because they have a different way of grounding and organizing themselves.
[44:18]
And your karma, your associations, your anxiety, your worries all work differently in these two minds. And one meaning of the word prajna, wisdom, is the ability to float between these two or move your sense of location or identity between these two. So I think that's enough as an introduction. Don't you think? Or did I lose all of you? So even if you don't quite get what I'm talking about, the point is that if as you sit you can begin to find in the details of your mind and body
[46:01]
The fact that you actually exist slightly differently according to your state of mind and the location of yourself in the details of perception You already are that way. And yet we don't notice it. That's the little bit of that poem I gave you in the hot drink last night. Through the rain and trees, we only see a crescent moon. And this sense of a crescent moon in Buddhism It's the sense that in the crescent moon we still see the roundness, but we don't see the full moon yet.
[47:34]
So the full moon is there, but we only see part of the moon. So in sitting you can begin to see more and more of the full moon. They over-intentionally penetrate every being and place. With the true merit of God's grace, you will walk again. Say, I don't know.
[48:34]
I don't know. I want to save them. It is obvious that the US doesn't still do it. I don't think you're on board to go to Canada today. They've been making promises to sell our automotives. I don't think you're on board to go to Canada today. They've been making promises to sell our automotives. I don't think you're on board to go to Canada today. So we could also make a distinction between
[50:21]
or the mind of the fourth skanda of associations and impulses. And the mind of the third skanda, which is perceptions, but here I'm emphasizing is direct perceptions. And the more you can rest your mind in direct perceptions and less in associations, the more you have a mind in which your karma is worked out. Your karma is absorbed. So part of the practice of oryokis or how you hold your hands and so forth is to be able to keep
[51:28]
stabilizing or grounding your mind in direct, immediate perception. Now, the Buddhist master Asanga makes a distinction between primary mind and secondary mind. The Buddhist master Asanga primary mind and secondary mind. And one would be a mind in which you're in the immediate details of perception and the other is when you're in the mind of associations and generalizations. And these are understood as actually two different minds.
[52:45]
Now we can call them two different minds because they have a different way of grounding and organizing themselves. And your karma, your associations, your anxiety, your worries all work differently in these two minds. And one meaning of the word prajna, wisdom, is the ability to float between these two or move your sense of location or identity between these two. So I think that's enough as an introduction Not you think?
[53:56]
How did I lose all of you? So even if you don't quite get what I'm talking about, the point is that if as you sit you can begin to find in the details of your mind and body The fact that you actually exist slightly differently according to your state of mind and the location of yourself in the details of perception You already are that way.
[55:08]
And yet we don't notice it. That's the little bit of that poem I gave you in the hot drink last night. It's something like this little poem that I said last night during the hot drink.
[55:35]
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