And if you're attached to life, then you're going to be interested in such ideas. But of course, there's a lot of similarities. And it's interesting to look at the experiential base for teachings in various religions. And in Zen, Zen among Buddhist schools tries to not stray from experience into theory. Many teachings go, the experiential base is almost lost. It's mostly theory.

[01:03]

But there's a certain amount of theory in Buddhism. Yeah. We emphasize what changes more than we emphasize what holds. If you emphasize something else, then you end up with a slightly different experiential base even. It changes the experience. Buddhism always emphasizes what holds, but always in the context of change. In the context of impermanence. One more of something. Yes, Nico. When I try to get a feeling for that, what you mean by the pause, I get a very basic question.

[02:20]

by the concept. And through this concept I get a feeling, an intuitive feeling. Usually it feels right and there is a kind of resonance. Often I can go deep into this and it gets clearer. And then it almost feels like an insight. then I ask myself if it is actually right to kind of produce these feelings, to almost kind of create these insights, but from the outside, through concepts, getting to know this.

[03:42]

In other words, in a simple sense, do you mean you have a concept of a pause, And through the concept of the pause, you have the experience of the pause. And then that leads to a deeper experience. Okay, that's okay. It feels like as if everything is creatable like that. Not everything. Because some concepts, and you can try it out, don't have any experience resonate. So we have to... We have a memory-based observing experience. which becomes the autobiographical self.

[05:01]

And we can have an intention-based observing mind. And that intention-based observing mind is why we take the precepts. is why we take the precepts. But you're completely correct that even the idea of a pause is a concept and changes how we experience things. The concept shapes things. But if you don't have a concept, a wisdom concept, then you're shaped by all kinds of things, by ideas of permanence. The idea of impermanence is an antidote to the concept of permanence.

[06:02]

So there's wisdom concepts which are antidotes, and there's wisdom concepts which teach or lead us. And the test of a wisdom concept is does it lead to experience or fill up with experience? And then does the experience dissolve the concept? And then do you have really a basis for a way of being that is experience itself without the concepts?

[07:10]

Which is the basis of the concept? Do we have an experience-based way? living which is not concept-based? But there's no question that Buddhism is in the almost infinite possibilities. Buddhism is a particular way within that. So you can't get away from there being a particular way. You can't get away from being... From there being a particular way. There's no way to have a non-particular way.

[08:14]

So Buddhism tries to be the particular way that dissolves the best. So you just have to choose a particular way, And it's going to shape what happens. But you want a way that dissolves, that you don't need after a while. But even after you throw it away, its shadow is still there. It can't be helped. Because we're particular people with a particular body. Okay, thanks a lot.

[09:21]

Vielen Dank. So nice to sit here with you. We could continue forever, but the babysitters are demanding the return of the mothers.

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